Could be the starting point...
This website agrees with a great deal if not all of what I see on this blog regarding the "Great Fall" on which our country is tettering. Some of you have probably already seen it.
Posted by Johnny Mack at 3/26/2009 11:09 PM 
Categories: Firearms/Guns,Military,Politics,Economics
Tags: War Liberty
Categories: Firearms/Guns,Military,Politics,Economics
Tags: War Liberty
for those who dont have a one, you can get a free copy of the constitution at www.heritage.org. be warned, shawn hannity will send you a letter asking you to donate to the heritage foundation. i have to keep doing it because i keep giving them away.
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After reading the Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner (circ. 1869), I'd prefer copies of the Declaration of Independence be distributed.
One of the many reasons why I am such a sucky liar/lawyer I guess. Can't quite get my head around legal authority for much once you realize that ALL government authority is a fraud.
Eight Elements of the Spooner-Insight
The pretended "U.S. constitution" has been a fraud and a hoax from the outset. It was never signed as a contract in any legal way by anyone. It never bound anyone. It was foisted on a naive, gullible, credulous populace.
Therefore, the pretended "United States of America" has been a fraud and a hoax from the outset. It has always been a nothing masquerading as a something. It is pure imagination or make-believe.
The pretended "government of the U.S.A." has no legal authority whatsoever. It is a hoax and a fraud in its entirety.
All the people claiming to be "presidents," "senators," "representatives," "secretaries," "judges," "generals," "ambassadors," etc. of the pretended "U.S.A." are liars and imposters, whether they realize it or not. They are hucksters and hoaxers.
The pretended "laws" of the pretended "U.S.A." are in reality no more than absurd noises and scribbles made by liars and imposters.
The same applies to all other pretended "states" and "countries" of the world. Their pretended "emperors," "kings," "queens," "prime ministers," etc. have all been liars and imposters all along. Likewise, all their pretended "laws" have in reality been no more than absurd noises and scribbles of liars and imposters.
The real rulers all along have been the major money lenders behind the scenes. The pretended "presidents," "senators," "representatives," "secretaries," "judges," "generals," "ambassadors," "emperors," "kings," "queens," "prime ministers," etc. are mostly pawns of the money lenders.
In reality the whole world is ruled by secret bands of money lenders, tyrants, robbers, and murderers.
Red pill, people.
http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07.shtml
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Lets say Spooner is right and the constitution is a hoax, but the idea is not a hoax or fraud. An idealist would say the belief or ideal is what counts. In the spirit of Descartes, we believe in the Constitution, therefore, it does indeed exist.
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It is probably more correct to say that "In the spirit of Descartes, we believe the US Constitution is valid, therefore, it is indeed valid."
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Except the collectivist statement that "we believe" means you just imposed that belief on me right?
If that's the case, I believe that bryan Huffman owes me 20% of his income for the rest of his life.
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I meant that if the people of the United States agree that the principles outlined in the Constitution are the principles that will govern the nation then the document has validity, regardless of the legality or contractual nature of the document. If you don't agree with the principles of the Constitution then you are not bound by them, unless of course, "at the end of a bayonet" as Mann says in your link.
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But Buzz, 20% of nothing is ... Nothing!!!
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Amen brudda
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It' spretty basic history that might will make the rules. And you can say "I did not consent to this, sir! I protest!"
And in most times, you would then be publicy tortured to death and your body fed to the dogs. Many of the late Roman emperors, for example, were quite fond of torturing to death and seizing the estates of anyone they thought was opposed to them (or that the just plain didn't like).
And in the US, a bunch of colonists grabbed their own guns and beat up the British in order to pick their own boss. And they drove out many of the loyaists, who went back to England or to Canada. And they talked about picking a king, but (post articles of confederation), went with the constitution. And most folks in Europe laughed and said it would never work, because democracy always decays into mob rule. Instructive reading on this is Athens, which had a nasty habit of devouring its children (i.e. eventually trying to execute all its best leaders and thinkers).
Since our political situation is typically choosen by our dead ancestors, in a way its true that none of us have ratified the constitution. But it is the nature of man to make laws, and to try and rule, be it through raw power and the sword, or demagogaurey, or through laws, which we try to do. And it always leaves the individual to struggle against the state. And the balance isn't too bad in the US (free speech, worship, gun ownership, mobility, ownership of property), when viewed throught the lens of history.
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. - Mao Tse-Tung
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free speech (for some), worship (for some), gun ownership (for some, no longer for lord toad), mobility (for most, for now), ownership of property (are you kidding me),
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. - Mao Tse-Tung
only when the people allow themselves to be disarmed.
those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not. (paraphrased from Jefferson)(and kinda the bible with the use of terms 'swords' and 'plowshares')
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on a technical note, when you reply on the site, you can't see the thread you're replying to, just the last reply (when you log in to write a reply comment)
Anyone know how to change that? (lookin to you Huffdaddy) But I guess it can all be just done through the actual blog page (w/out logging in).
But who doesn't have the right of speech, mobility, guns, and property? Unless you're in jail, or a felon (trouble w/ #3), you have those rights. I hear a lot of worry about guns, but we have gun shows all the time out in LA. And so we have our guns and have our speech, and those rights won't ever be taken (since we already have our guns and can speak, so even if pen is mightier etc.) And the latest word on that came from the Supreme Court in Heller, which says that there can be some reasonable regulation, but people have to be able to have small arms (handguns, rifles).
Now we just need to use them against the bankers. But I looked at the we the people site a bit, it notes "The people we have put in office are a reflection of our own consciousness. We cannot right what has happened to our government without first re-awakening our own commitment to our Freedom Documents." which seems pretty true. But the people also seem to be "birthers," which takes their cred down a notch
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